Are you guys excited about Treasure Planet?  What do you think of the
trailer?  And how about Finding Nemo?  I think Pixar's films have
been lacking a little bit lately --I think Toy Story and Toy Story 2
are better than either of the others, by a lot.  Monsters Inc was
alright, but... I don't know... For some reason it just didn't do it
for me.

I am a bit worried about Treasure Planet - The previews make it look
so much like Tarzan/Atlantis -- a lot of action and maybe not much
substance?  (The "sky boarding" reminds me so much of
Tarzan's "skating" through the treetops.  I will be happy when the
whole "X-treme sport" thing goes, or at least moseys out of the
movies.)   Spirit turned out to be something in that vein also (Way
too simplistic in plot.) and even Lilo and Stitch was no epic. (Aside
from "Ohana", which it hammered into your brain four or five times,
it had little meaning and was more about jokes and action than
character.)
    So far, Ice Age has been my favorite of the newer animated films,
and many of the others have been disappointing.

   Even after 3 tries now, Dreamworks has not managed to turn out a
really good, universally appealing movie.  Sinbad is up next and
appears to be another action flick.  Disney has not made a good,
*substance* movie since Mulan, (by my standards, anyway.) and lately
they've been busying themselves with so many blegh sequels that I'm
starting to doubt their ability to make good movies altogether.

    And Nemo... hmm... I am still holding out hope for it.

   How about you guys?  Have you had a disappointing or satisfied romp
in the theaters for animated films in the past year?

:o)
--Baltoship

I saw one of those snowglobes...or one similar, at San Francisco
Music Box Company...a store that comes into the mall at the holidays
and leaves shortly thereafter. I got my Anastasia, "Once Upon a
December" musicbox there...You know, the one with the Czar and
Czarina dancing? ((Nicholas II baby! God Save the Czar!!))

While we're talking about storyboard art, don't you guys think it's
kind of a shame that we won't be able to buy cels?    Balto is one of
my favorite animated movies (probably second only to TLK.) and it's
probably the only one I'd want to get a cel from.   Not that I'm
complaining about digital coloring, but wouldn't it be cool if they
could somehow print out color versions of all the scenes-- Really
nice ones like lithographs?
The only memorabilia you can get from Balto are the plushies :o) and
those Hardee's toys which aren't very good.  Have you seen the UK
fast food toys?  I think they're from KFC (?) .. Those are the
coolest!!  Why can't WE have those?  It's not FAIR! (Pout,pout.)  And
how come the UK cover for Balto 2 is better than ours?   How come
*their* stuff actually looks like what it's supposed to, and *our*
stuff always looks all... INTERPRETIVE... or whatever?
   Are the UK Balto publicity people just... thinking clearly, and
we're not?  How do we explain this obvious rift in the quality of the
toys and the cover?

    I do have my Balto stuffie and I love him dearly, but I want more
Balto stuff!  I want a nice lithograph I can put on the wall, or at
least some decent-looking figures. (Why does Balto look all weird in
the Hardee's figure?)

   When are they going to start merchandising this series like they
should?  Do you guys think they will sell more stuff when Balto 3
comes out?
    Oh... one thing that is so awesome... Have you seen those
snowglobes they have?  They show up at eBay every now and then and
always sell for a whole lot, so I haven't gotten one yet.  I don't
know who made them or when, but they're just the *best* idea for
Balto memorabilia!    I wish they would make more, and bigger ones.
    Come to think of it, I should probably go check ebay and see if
there's one I can grab.  (Yeah, right!)

:o)
--Baltoship

> Ok, I'm a big fan of sarcasm and sardonic wit, so you just earned
> brownie points. What brownie points are and what they're good for, I
> have no idea.

Those with more brownie points get more brownies, of course!  ;)
-CW

Baltoship, where've you been all my life? I think I love you. *gives
you the Group Couch of Sparf* Ok, well, now that's settled.

Ok, I'm a big fan of sarcasm and sardonic wit, so you just earned
brownie points. What brownie points are and what they're good for, I
have no idea.

>
> By the same token, why do we allow people to get away with poor
> typing skills? I mean, it's one thing if you're missing a hand.
It's quite something else if you're just too lazy to type out a few
extra
> letters. And Punctuation!? When did we forget how to punctuate and
> capitalize, folks? Come ON, SERIOUSLY!
>
> "oic ur not talking 2 me now"
>
> Things like this make me want to permanently revoke someone's net
> connection priveliges and make them live the lives of the pathetic
> flatscans who know not the ways of technology. (The Internet High-
> Potentate speaks, folks, listen to him. lol.)
>
>
    EGH!! (Banging my head on the piano keys.)  no! No! NO!!  Don't
get me started on this, either!  I HATE IT!
    Now, I don't claim that my grammar and spelling are perfect, but
at least my emails are readable !   Even worse is that people will
actually *defend* their poor habits and get angry with you for
pointing out how illiterate and childish it looks.  They really don't
understand that, in appearance, this "shorthand"  (lol.. That's
definitely a very polite euphemism for it.) reduces the maturity
level of their message to about, what, the level of an eight year-
old's scrawlings in the bathroom stall?

    Yeah... "2Gether 4ever"??  We used to write that.

  When we were like TEN and had a crush on Danny Whatshisname in FIFTH
GRADE!
    And "Ur"?

Ur was a city near ancient Mesopotamia.  I learned THAT in 6th grade,
and I remember it because the whole class laughed at what a dumb name
it was for a city.   And now?  Well, now it's somehow caught on as
being an actual word, along with a lot of other trendy, annoying
jargon that is barely fit to grace license plates, no less our
everyday language.

Have you noticed that some of it is even getting difficult to
understand?

"H8" "plz"  "ppl"  "urself"

    It actually gives you PAUSE.  You have to spend a few seconds
figuring it out before you can move on, so it doesn't even accomplish
what it's supposed to... I don't know about you, but when I see 'ur',
I say "ur," because that is the real pronunciation.  Also it doesn't
even work, because 'ur' is supposed to be "You Are," but as soon as
it becomes 'urself,'  it *isn't* "You Are Self"...  Come on now.
Isn't English complicated enough without the addition of stupid stuff
like this?  Using appropriate *abbreviations* to save time is one
thing, but most of this stuff isn't even close to being acceptable.

    Worse, this is starting to affect foreigners who are trying to
learn English.  It is not at all unusual to find people from other
countries mimicking this non-language instead of learning REAL
English, just because they're seeing it all over the place and
picking up on American "trends."

   And of course everybody defends it.

"can spell cannot type"
"i no how to talk it just save alot off time"

     But that's biggest problem of all...  Do you think it's
coincidence that the people who use this so-called "shorthand" are
the ones who really CAN'T write properly?  It isn't even the
shorthand that gives them away.   You can look at the sentences that
*don't* have shorthand in them, and see very clearly that these
people are really ignorant when it comes to using language even close
to the right way.  NONE of them even seem to know the difference
between *simple* words like 'no' and 'know' (!! Come on! That's a no-
brainer!!)  'a lot' and 'a lot,'  (That's definitely one we were
struggling with in third grade, right?)  and...

  Do you believe this one?  'Off' and 'of'  ??   What kind of an idiot
can confuse those words?  They don't even *sound* the same!


    Mm.  I think schools are putting a little too much emphasis on
useless quadratic equations, and not nearly enough on basic use of
the English language...

And here are some actual snippets taken word for word from Aol
message boards:
***********************

"OMG, if u beleive in aleins u got a HUGE! problem in thje bible it
said god created HUMANS!! NOT ALEINS!!"

   (Translation: "I should probably spend a little less time with the
Bible, and a little more time with the Dictionary.")

*************************

"Has anyone ever had a dream where when u are trying to wake up and
it fells like something is like laying on top of u and will not let u
up."


    (Translation: "I often feel a lot of pressure to write out the
word "you," but I don't let it get to me.")


*****************

"Of course we aren;t alone, and not one person can believe that we
aren't. (cut)...my favorite book...and hopefully yours......the
BIBLE...Genisus ch. 1!"

    (Translation: "A lot of things are unclear to me.  I don't know
what I find more confusing: Semi-colons and apostrophes, or the
question of why I'm not familiar with the first chapter of my
favorite book.")

********************

"iz thier intelligent life hear?"

    (Translation: "I like to ask rhetorical questions.")

************************


"WHAT-R-U-GO-N-2-SAY-2-GOD WHEN-U-C-HIM FACE-2-FACE?"


    (Translation:  "Even God won't be able to understand what I'm
saying.  Let's hope there isn't a written application necessary for
getting into heaven.")


******************

"I've has thr fence for 12 years/4 large dogs.You have to folow the
instructions"

   (Translation:  "I probably shouldn't be responsible for the lives
of four innocent canines.")

**************
"My dog knows her boundriess"

    (Translation:  "My dog knows words that I don't.")

*************************

"invisable fences "keeps your dog in". So how doe's invisable fencing
keep other animals out of my yard ?"

    (Translation:  "It's hard to keep the deer out of my yard, because
one of the females actually owns the fence.")

***********************


   Hee Hee.

:oD
--Baltoship

That's so funny!   That is an ideal "weird thing."... And so true!
We are more than willing to do business with complete strangers, even
send money into thin air and simply *hope* that the person is not
going to scam us (heh-- How about those Zeroes at Ebay??  Don't you
hate just sitting there, hoping they're going to be responsible and
either pay you or actually send your item?  Entirely faith, right
there.)  But we DON'T want them calling us!!
LOL.  NO WAY!   We don't want to talk to them.  It's just so awkward
and goofy when one of these total strangers calls us.   We're happy
to send them money, but we're not willing to go through 5 or 10
minutes of social awkwardness of phone calling unless it's absolutely
necessary, and we've all like, *arranged* it ahead of time.

"Here, take my money, but please don't call me!  Can I pay you extra
NOT to call me??"

   Hee hee.
:oD
--Baltoship

--- In baltosanctuary@y..., "sparf1" <sparf1@y...> wrote:
> But there are people who are so rude on the Internet, that they
make
> others actively uncomfortable IRL. Here's a good rule to follow:
> Unless you have discussed it with the person first, do not call
> someone at work, or at home...in fact, don't call them at all! The
> only exception is when you've already called them before and
they're
> friends of yours and you want to surprise them...but even then.
>
> It's downright RUDE and...ugh....I won't even go into it.

This is a good question and one that I've pondered myself more than
once.  I often see the Van Eaton Galleries selling them at ebay, and
it wasn't too long ago that they would actually start them at $75 !
Now, I think that's too much.  And the reason is that a lot of them
don't resemble the characters very well-- I guess because they're pre-
production stuff done before the character designs were finalized?
(eg. have you noticed that Balto often has more of a facial "mask" in
them instead of separate eyerings?.. so maybe they changed that
somewhat later in the production to make him look less like the other
huskies.)  Also, I just think $75 is too much to pay for a black and
white storyboard-- I mean, it probably took what..?   5-10 minutes to
draw, at most?  So if you pay $75 for it, isn't that like implying
that storyboard artists should be paid about $400-$500 an hour??
:o) Heh heh.
     And it depends a lot on the storyboard itself, too.  Some of them
aren't nearly as detailed or interesting as others, so there should
be some kind of ranking system that differentiates between the more
detailed, expressive ones, and the ones that are kind of "empty"...
If I really saw one I liked, I could imagine paying maybe $35 for
it.. $40 at most.  And I think some of them should sell for less than
that.
    Now, actual *animation* drawings.. that would be something else
entirely...

:o)
--Baltoship
--- In baltosanctuary@y..., "sparf1" <sparf1@y...> wrote:
> YEah, that's right, I'm actually going to write a post on topic.
Just
> a thoughtful question.
>
> How much would you guys say is too much to pay for a storyboard
from
> Balto? I collect these things and I've averaged around 35 dollars
> apiece.

YEah, that's right, I'm actually going to write a post on topic. Just
a thoughtful question.

How much would you guys say is too much to pay for a storyboard from
Balto? I collect these things and I've averaged around 35 dollars
apiece.

But there are people who are so rude on the Internet, that they make
others actively uncomfortable IRL. Here's a good rule to follow:
Unless you have discussed it with the person first, do not call
someone at work, or at home...in fact, don't call them at all! The
only exception is when you've already called them before and they're
friends of yours and you want to surprise them...but even then.

It's downright RUDE and...ugh....I won't even go into it.

> "oic ur not talking 2 me now"

*Screams* Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! *runs away*
That's a HUGE pet-peeve of mine. Since when have humans become so lazy
that they can't type -two extra letters?!-  "You" has a 'y' and
'o'...is it so hard to lift your fingers and talk like a normal person?

That's also seriously messed me up with ages... there are too many
cases when I've talked to someone I thought was 13 and using that
internet type, when it turns out they're in their mid-twenties. I
would hope that someday they'd grow out of it...

-Snow Wolf

Wow. That's...deep

Maybe it's because us cyber-people have evolved farther than those
mundane denizens of the /real/ world. (Real? What means it
this..../real/?)

By the same token, why do we allow people to get away with poor
typing skills? I mean, it's one thing if you're missing a hand. It's
quite something else if you're just too lazy to type out a few extra
letters. And Punctuation!? When did we forget how to punctuate and
capitalize, folks? Come ON, SERIOUSLY!

"oic ur not talking 2 me now"

Things like this make me want to permanently revoke someone's net
connection priveliges and make them live the lives of the pathetic
flatscans who know not the ways of technology. (The Internet High-
Potentate speaks, folks, listen to him. lol.)

Another interesting thing is how certain groups make up words and
those words stick, and are almost like an insider's code within the
group. They're usually entertaining to anyone willing to find out the
origins. "Ecker," "Bubblesense," adding "-ness" to the end of
anything, it's all insider language and it's absolutely "class"

I have one friend who has made up so many words and phrases for
things that she almost has her own language. I admire her for it,
too. You can read examples at
http://www.livejournal.com/users/lalaloveyou

Ok.. I'm going to just babble here and hope that it sparks peoples'
interest enough to reply and hopefully get their friends to join this
club...
  *I* would, but I don't have any friends!  (Badda-BING!!)

(more crickets chirp in the audience.)


Okay, This post of mine is hopefully going to be a trend setter.  In
addition to the usual Balto remarks, I am going to post something
WEIRD that I've noticed, and I hope someone will follow suit with
something weird that *they've* noticed.   Balto posts alone don't
seem to work, so this demands Action in the form of nuttiness.

Commence the addition of nuts!

WEIRD THING #1
     I was in a chatroom the other day and was suddenly struck by the
fact that Chatroomisms are perpetually expanding, but never decaying.
Several years ago, Chatroomisms like "LOL"  came onto the scene.. and
they are still here.  LOL?   Laugh Out Loud.
    What does it even mean?   Well, it's a compliment .. it means
somebody made a funny.   But why not "TF"?   (That's Funny)...  And
why is it "TTFN"?   Who in the world except for rich, snobby people
says stuff like "Ciao"  and "Tah Tah!"... Nobody does.   I mean, if
you seriously said "Tah Tah" in the Real World, people would think
you're fruity or goofy or something.  It is SO goofy that it's almost
impossible to say it seriously.   Unless you're in England.. I
understand they say "TAH!" sometimes, b--

    ANYway.. the point being made here is that People are STILL saying
TTFN and LOL, YEARS after the inception of these phrases.
    Imagine if you will, what a world it would be if people said that
stuff out loud.  "Loll" and "TeeTeeEffEnn" or "Teefin'" or
something....

    Now think back.. WAY back to 1991, when we were all
saying "NOT!" ..  "Not!" had its day in the sun, and then it died
within a period of.. what..  a year or two?
       "Sit on it." "That's a GAS!"  "Radical!"  "Get a
Life"  "Hello?.. McFly?"  "Talk to the Hand"  "LLLOSER!" (making
the "L" with your thumb and index finger, of course.)

.. Our stupid culture is wrought with annoying examples of
catchphrases that just aren't cute anymore.  And our newest?  Why,
our newest is "Get over it"... and, to lesser degree, "Get over
yourself."   I will be very happy when these die.   Some of our
annoying phrases are already on life-support after having a
relatively brief run  ("BIOTCH" and "PHAT", for example.) While
others seem to keep hanging on in obscurity ("Word." for example,
and "Word Up.") even though they need to be euthanized as well.

    But WHY is it, that phrases like TTFN and LOL, and especially
ROFLMAO, persist in chatrooms, despite being overused and getting on
peoples' nerves?   (LOL is acceptable, but "ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOO" is
REALLY irritating.)
Well, you say, they're abbreviations.  So abbreviations are exempt
from the passage of time which lends itself to annoying overuse?
Does this mean that we'd still be saying "TAG" (That's a Gas.)in this
day and age, if we'd figured this out in the 70s?    Or what
about "G" (Groovy!)...
     Or does it have to do with READING the words instead of HEARING
them?  Isn't it weird to think that people are so much more sensitive
to what they hear rather than what they see?  Reading it in a
chatroom is ok..  But a person SAYING the same thing verbally makes
you want to punch them?

    And why isn't there just a natural evolution with Chatroomisms?
How come "LOL" doesn't just get replaced by something *better*?  Like
TSF (That's so Funny) or SLAYJ  (Still Laughing at Your Joke)..
    Lol has been consistently popular, and shows no sign of slowing
down, despite it having more than a 5 year run and being used
CONSTANTLY.

     If "Not!" had been going on that long and people used it that
often....   I shudder to think.
    The human race would have self combusted in 1996.

I mean, there might not even be a planet here anymore.


That said... on to


WEIRD THING #2:

    Why is "Cool" still popular?   Cool is the only slang word that
has been around and around, and never dies.   And no one seems
annoyed by it.  Cool just STAYS cool.   Somehow.

:o)
--Baltoship



"Tag, man."
"G."

YES! They get a few members then they go pffffffffffffffffft. Kinda
like StellarFoxes, my Starfox group! C'mon people, I built this for
you guys! Abuse the post link! *grin*

Sparfaroo

Good song, and very appropriate, I must say. *nods*

They say that every generation has a defining moment. One of those
times when you will always remember exactly where you were and what
you were doing when you heard/saw the news. Perhaps, then, this is
ours, just as Kennedy's assassination was the defining event for many
of our parents, and the bombing of Pearl Harbor for their parents.

One day maybe everything will all make sense. I lost many brothers
and sisters on 9/11/01, but I also gained a greater kinship with my
colleagues left behind. And we will always be secure in the knowledge
that, though we were humbled on that day, those responsible could not
break our spirit. Instead, it unified us in a way the world has not
seen since World War II. And now, a year later, the healing process
is well underway.

A lot of people have a tendency to take their fire departments,
police departments, and EMS for granted. Next time you're out and see
a firefighter on the street, or driving down the road in a fire
truck, or the next time you see a policeman, or an EMT, wave and
say 'hello', or maybe even 'thank you'.

It doesn't matter whether it's volunteer or paid, all firefighters
are 'professionals'.

Already one year has passed since that terrible morning.

I wanted to quote the famous Bob Dylan song, written fourty years
ago, but always, expecially now, very topical.


"How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
Yes, 'n' how many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand?
Yes, 'n' how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they're forever banned?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes, 'n' how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind."


I am not American, but I really have to say: GOD BLESS AMERICA.

R.I.P.

>
> Uh, yeah, anyway, we need recruits and postage in here, lol.

    I put up a link at the Spirit Group and I think a couple people
came over from there, but we still need more! 13 isn't a good number,
right??   I read somewhere that they sometimes number the floors in
skyscrapers like 10,11,12,14,15....  I dunno if that's true.. (Have I
ever even *been* in a skyscraper..?)  but I wouldn't be surprised.
People are superstitious.


  Um, but the Balto DVD is really nice and the 5.1 surround sound
track is  absolutely awesome.

   I found a few at ebay and put a bid in, so here's hoping.  :o)
   I still think it's really interesting that there aren't that many
Balto DVDs around.. I would expect tons of them at ebay.  Instead
there are a dozen Balto 2s... and Balto 2 is *ok*, but... I don't
have any desire to get it on DVD, especially if there aren't any
goodies or treats on it.  I have the VHS but I don't watch it very
much.. and when I do, I generally only watch it up until the part
where Sumac and Nava and everybody shows up.. *If* I get that far...
sometimes I stop it right when the wolverines disappear.. and
sometimes when the fox-voice girl does the wolverine voice (I think -
they sound the same to me.) and goes, ".. Why not a fox?  Or did she
outwit you?"  .. And I'm thinking.. "ehh.. weren't you *there* at the
time?"   And then she shows up later and does one of the wolf voices,
too..
    You'd think with all the hundreds of people who make an animated
movie happen, they would be able to rustle up more than half a dozen
voices.
    Anyway, it's a shame Balto wasn't a Dreamworks project, or I bet
it would've gotten the royal treatment.. Instead it's kind of ignored
and it seems like most people think it's a Disney movie anyway.
    I find that funny.. People think it's Disney even though the
word "Disney" doesn't show up anywhere in the movie or on the cover
or anything.  People are funny.
:o)
--Baltoship

Yes, MORE EXTRAS ARE NEEDED!!! THE PRECIOUS!! OH My PRECIOUS!!

Uh, yeah, anyway, we need recruits and postage in here, lol. Um, but
the Balto DVD is really nice and the 5.1 surround sound track is
absolutely awesome. Dolby AC3 forever, baby, yeah!

It figures that most people won't sell their Balto DVDs.... you must
get one; they're spectacular! The sound is sharp and colors very
vivid. I hope VHS stays around a bit longer though...I like those.
Anyways, I have a few copies of the movie on VHS but still got the DVD
for its pure Balto-ness. Good luck in your search...

If you live in America, the DVD only has a stupid game on it;
elsewhere is a long documentary on the making of Balto...I wish I
could see it.

~Snow Wolf

I was just watching Balto again the other day and realizing that I
have to get it on DVD!  But how come when I check ebay, the only DVD
they have is Balto 2?  I thought VHS was supposed to be going extinct-
- so how come ebay is littered with them instead of Balto DVDs??
    How is it anyway?  Does it have extra stuff on it?  And how is the
color and sound?
   I just got The Secret of NIMH dvd last week and was not that
pleased with it-- they have tinkered with the color and made it all
bright and neon.. Even in the dark and shadowy scenes, you can see
all these glowbright colors.   I like the VHS way better!  There the
color is subtle and "real" looking.

:o)
--Baltoship

--- In baltosanctuary@y..., Alinaya Moondancer
<alinaya_moondancer@y...> wrote:
>
> *turns on heavy rock music and starts shouting* DON'T YOU ALL THINK
BALTO IS THE GREATEST? I CAN'T WAIT FOR BALTO 3!!! *sees everyone
staring at her* *ehem* Anyways..when is it coming out, do ya know?
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

*turns on heavy rock music and starts shouting* DON'T YOU ALL THINK BALTO IS THE GREATEST? I CAN'T WAIT FOR BALTO 3!!! *sees everyone staring at her* *ehem* Anyways..when is it coming out, do ya know?

Come on, guys, we went all silent!! Let's be loud! After all I made
this club for talking, dinnt I?

Well, lessee....I liked Balto 2....and I liked the
singing...well...*blushes* I liked all of the movie. Wasn't the
greatest ever but you know, it was servicable. I HATED BORIS's VOICE
ACTING! UGH! I could have done a lot better.....but nooo, I'm not in
the buisiness, so they get Commander Yiddish. *bangs head* If he's in
Balto 3, please GOD let them improve his voice acting.

Mark Hamil is a VA God.....
not as much as Jim Cummings though.
And maybe, one day...Me. *cackles evilly*

I hope they stop at 3 Baltos.  In reality 3 is an odd number, but for
movie making it turns out to be a nice little even number.  And
triology has a nice ring to it. ^_^  As for stopping at 3, it could
go either way, the producers at universial could decide that 3 is
enough, or the third movie could do so well that they decide squeeze
Balto for all it's worth...

As for merchandise i'm sure no one would object (much) to that.  I
mean it was a real shame that besides the movie, and a few special
items in the UK, Balto 2 had no merchandise released.  I dunno if
it's wishful thinking or not, but I hope they decide to do something
special with Balto 3.

As for songs, they seem to work best if the characters don't sing
them, sorta like in Spirit.  But they're not quite as frequent as
disney, who churns out a song at a rate of every 15 minutes (I timed
it one bored day ^_^;;;).

As for the possibilities of spiritual references, i'm neutral.  For
me it depends on where the movie is going (prequel or continuation of
the Wolf Quest).

And finally nice artwork Moondancer (is it okay if I call you
that?)!  I like the coloring the best, it somehow gives a nice soft
look to the characters. :)

Wow it's been ages since I've had a possitive ramble at a *group*.
*wags tail* lol.

~Silver Huskey
*Who is thankful to Sparf for letting her join a flame free group.*

>    I wonder how many Baltos they're going to make..?  Is it going
to
> turn into The Land Before Time or stop at 3?  I bet they will
> merchandise Balto 3, at the very least-- maybe some fast food toys
or
> something.   I just hope they don't have more singing animals..  If
I
> could make one request, it would be please NO MORE singing !  Why
not
> write up more (and better) dialogue to fill that space?  And a
second
> hope is that #3 will not have the excessive spiritual interference,
> animals forever appearing and disappearing, etc..
>     However it turns out, though, it's bound to be better than the
> Land Before Time marathon.. The Balto story has a lot more
> interesting elements and, especially now, a lot of loose ends that
> give the tale an intricacy that the dino story just never
had.  ..I'm
> way behind on those.  I think I stopped at The Secret of Saurus
Rock..
>
> :o)
> --Baltoship

i don't mind the merchandising..i did buy alot of Spirit stuff, it's a way of keeping the movie close to you. But yes, the singing is rather annoying X.x I like the first one better for that reason..they shouldn't turn it into a Disney 'at least 3 songs a movie' type thing.

there are  so many arguments for and against the white wolf being
Balto's mother.  It all depends on how you look at it! :)
>
     **Mm.. I probably can't say anything that someone else hasn't
already said, but the *overall* effect of it would seem to be
detrimental.. if only because a lot of the subtle, spiritual magic in
the original Balto was wrapped in the white wolf, and that "magic"
got killed when we found out she was his mother... that might have
been ok except that her "character" in Balto 2 was in-your-face non-
fascinating.  "You need to learn the animal totems that will guide
you, my son."  Just out there in plain English, no mystery, nothing
left to your imagination.  (Kinda like a guy in a Speedo? :o)  as
compared to the earlier rendition of the white wolf- this silent,
powerful presence that really piqued your curiosity because you
didn't know anything about it.  (Kinda like a guy in a nice Armani
suit.)
    It could be salvaged, though.. If Balto 3 really gave her good
dialogue and an interesting character, that could amend the damage of
that mystical element being lost..
    I wonder how many Baltos they're going to make..?  Is it going to
turn into The Land Before Time or stop at 3?  I bet they will
merchandise Balto 3, at the very least-- maybe some fast food toys or
something.   I just hope they don't have more singing animals..  If I
could make one request, it would be please NO MORE singing !  Why not
write up more (and better) dialogue to fill that space?  And a second
hope is that #3 will not have the excessive spiritual interference,
animals forever appearing and disappearing, etc..
     However it turns out, though, it's bound to be better than the
Land Before Time marathon.. The Balto story has a lot more
interesting elements and, especially now, a lot of loose ends that
give the tale an intricacy that the dino story just never had.  ..I'm
way behind on those.  I think I stopped at The Secret of Saurus Rock..

:o)
--Baltoship

*Grin* That is NOT my fault! Thanks for reminding me though,
Sparf...I've got to post at TAB! *Sparkles*

I'm the last person you want to get started on this topic; there are
so many arguments for and against the white wolf being Balto's mother.
It all depends on how you look at it! :)

~Snow Wolf

--- In baltosanctuary@y..., "sparf1" <sparf1@y...> wrote:
> Kemo is indeed Balto's mother.
>
> Did I just say Kemo? Snow, it's YOUR fault you know! *grins*
>

Kemo is indeed Balto's mother.

Did I just say Kemo? Snow, it's YOUR fault you know! *grins*

--- In baltosanctuary@y..., "alinaya_moondancer"
<alinaya_moondancer@y...> wrote:
> I posted 3 of my piccys in the fan art section..should I find more
> of mine on my computer, I'll post those as well ^^ Yup..I'm new
> here. And just wondering..does anyone know who the white wolf is?
I
> thought it was his mother, it seems like she is...unless it's his
> grandmother, I think they said something about that in the second
> movie..

I posted 3 of my piccys in the fan art section..should I find more
of mine on my computer, I'll post those as well ^^ Yup..I'm new
here. And just wondering..does anyone know who the white wolf is? I
thought it was his mother, it seems like she is...unless it's his
grandmother, I think they said something about that in the second
movie..

--- In baltosanctuary@y..., "starlion3" <starlion3@y...> wrote:
> yo! what's up!
>
> heh, thought I'd drop by and poke my sniffer around. :).
>
> oooh ! finally a Balto topic! :D
>
> well, Balto's model for the movie was different than the real
Balto .
> but I agreee though , be nice to use the same colors of the real
> model.

     **Hey, aren't you from the Spirit group??  :oD  Thanks for
stopping by!
     I thought it was really awesome that they drew from the "real"
Spirit-like horse and made him look just like Donner- even down to
the dorsal stripe.. I admire that kind of accuracy.
     Of course with Balto they wanted to enhance the story with the
wolf element  (I think it was a good idea.) so maybe that was why
they used a model dog who looked more "wolfy".. I still think it
would have been really cool if Togo could have been in the movie
somehow also.

I mean what would happen if someone played you . and the
> person looked nothing like you ? "that doesn't look like me!" I'd
> say .

    LOL, especially because STEELE looks more like Balto than *Balto*
does!   Sort of a slap in the face to the real Balto, I think.. like
saying, "You're the hero, but you're not 'aesthetically pleasing'
enough to LOOK like the hero, so we have to make you prettier!  And
*your* color will go on the villain instead!"   Heh heh.. :o)
   I mean, talk about judging by appearances, eh?
       Still, they did a lot with the wolf storyline and that is hard
to do because a lot of people have such unfair stereotypes against
wolves....

:o)
--Baltoship

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