You may want to check out the WINE project that allows you to run windows
applications without dedicating all of the system resources associated with
vmware, boot camp.  Codeweavers has a nice binary version of Wine so you don't
have to get your hands dirty with the terminal.  But a ms sbs may not be
supported, and you probably wouldn't want to many ms enterprise products running
on your editing workstation.  On the other hand the new mac minis with snow
leopard server may offer some of the services and tools for your office and a
dedicated machine like that could easily have a vmware install w/ ms sbs. 
Smithmicro is about to release version 3, and they have been advertising 25%
off.  The reason I mentioned wine before is bc it doesn't require a Windows
license to run .exe's.

Best of luck,
Gregory Wilson
wilgory.com
--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, "Old_And_Reckless" <b.wharton@...> wrote:
>
> HI.
>
> Having to contemplate running a virtual Windows system on my Mac Pro FCP edit
system to allow me to work with a fabulous Microsoft Small Business Server...
Wondering if this is something anyone is doing
> OK and if they had good/bad experiences with either Parallels or VMware
Fusion? Parallels seems to be getting a bad rap from some, so:
>
> Fusion 3 with Windows 7 Ultimate seems like the most likely candidate.
>
> Hoping I won't have much performace hit if it's open while I'm editing. And
whether it makes sense to go to Snow Leopard before installing any
virtulisation? No specialist I/O yet, but one may be coming soon.
>
> Mac Pro Dual Quad Core 2.26Gz
> 12Gb RAM
> FCP 6.05
>
>
> Thanks for any pointers.
>
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> Ben Wharton
> Content Director, MercuryMedia International
>

Toggling Command 1/4 stops viewer playback so you have to click to the
browser to keep the viewer playing.

Also, marker master comment 1 (which correspond to marker comment in
timeline) in the browser work this way. And in FCP7 you can now search
marker comments in the timeline (can't remember if this was possible
in FCP6, but I think not). Make sure while typing comments in markers
in the browser to use enter and not return unless you want to load a
subclip based on the marker duration.

James


On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:28 AM, switthaus wrote:

> using a two screen set up with my browser on the MBP screen. Load a
> clip into the viewer on the second monitor. While it is playing, I
> can type comments into the logging note window in the browser.
> Stops, of course, when I hit enter or CTRL-V to paste. Still a nice
> little time-saver.
>
> --- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Bill Ruth <brphotog@...> wrote:
> >
> > I missed what you were replying to, below.
> >
> > What keys do you hit to keep the viewer playing while typing info
> in the browser?
> >
> > ___
> > switthaus-
> > I was hoping to find this...while playing a clip in the Viewer, I
> can type logs notes in the browser. The viewer will not stop playing
> until I hit enter when finished logging.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There's a bazillion different SyncMaster models, and I'm not all that
familiar with their line. So if you could dig up the model number next time
it's easy for you to do so, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks Steve,

Jim


On 11/23/09 9:05 AM, "Steve Hullfish" <steve4lists@...> wrote:

> Samsung SyncMaster 23 Inch WIdescreen is all I have with me. Google
> it, or I can give you details when I'm back in the office. I just
> bought them as part of a larger package. I don't remember the exact
> price but I think they were about $350 each,
>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Jim Feeley wrote:
>
>> What model Samsung, and what approx price?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To learn more about the FinalCutPro-L group, please visit
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FinalCutPro-LYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--
Jim Feeley
POV Media

using a two screen set up with my browser on the MBP screen.  Load a clip into
the viewer on the second monitor.  While it is playing, I can type comments into
the logging note window in the browser.  Stops, of course, when I hit enter or
CTRL-V to paste.  Still a nice little time-saver.

--- In FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com, Bill Ruth <brphotog@...> wrote:
>
> I missed what you were replying to, below.
>
> What keys do you hit to keep the viewer playing while typing info in the
browser?
>
> ___
> switthaus-
> I was hoping to find this...while playing a clip in the Viewer, I can type
logs notes in the browser. The viewer will not stop playing until I hit enter
when finished logging.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I missed what you were replying to, below.

What keys do you hit to keep the viewer playing while typing info in the
browser?

___
switthaus-
I was hoping to find this...while playing a clip in the Viewer, I can type logs
notes in the browser. The viewer will not stop playing until I hit enter when
finished logging.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Samsung SyncMaster 23 Inch WIdescreen is all I have with me. Google
it, or I can give you details when I'm back in the office. I just
bought them as part of a larger package. I don't remember the exact
price but I think they were about $350 each,

On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Jim Feeley wrote:

> What model Samsung, and what approx price?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was hoping to find this...while playing a clip in the Viewer, I can type logs
notes in the browser.  The viewer will not stop playing until I hit enter when
finished logging.  Gotta love that...

...this FCP thing just may stick around a while...

What model Samsung, and what approx price?

And offhand, do you know if it has multiple inputs so you can connect more
than one computer?

Thanks,

Jim


On 11/23/09 7:43 AM, "Steve Hullfish" <steve4lists@...> wrote:

> I just bought a very nice set of Samsung's that came highly
> recommended by my reseller, whom I trust.
>
> On Nov 22, 2009, at 8:48 PM, redsall2002 wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking about purchasing a new Dell U2410 LCD to use with my
>> year and a half old MBP for a FCP system I'm use when working at
>> home. The new Cinema Displays will not work with my MBP because
>> there is no mini display port and no adaptor as yet. Anyway I have
>> been looking at all sorts of solutions and the Dell seems to be the
>> best in that price range. There is however a large collection of
>> negative reviews all over the web regarding green/pink issues on
>> some of the monitors that Dell has shipped out. Anybody with this
>> monitor had to deal with this? My real question is, what are other
>> people with similar set ups to mine using for an external monitor?
>> While I'm at it I might as well ask if anybody is using two external
>> monitors with the MPB? If so, how are you accomplishing that?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FinalCutPro-LYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--
Jim Feeley
POV Media

I just bought a very nice set of Samsung's that came highly
recommended by my reseller, whom I trust.

On Nov 22, 2009, at 8:48 PM, redsall2002 wrote:

> I'm thinking about purchasing a new Dell U2410 LCD to use with my
> year and a half old MBP for a FCP system I'm use when working at
> home. The new Cinema Displays will not work with my MBP because
> there is no mini display port and no adaptor as yet. Anyway I have
> been looking at all sorts of solutions and the Dell seems to be the
> best in that price range. There is however a large collection of
> negative reviews all over the web regarding green/pink issues on
> some of the monitors that Dell has shipped out. Anybody with this
> monitor had to deal with this? My real question is, what are other
> people with similar set ups to mine using for an external monitor?
> While I'm at it I might as well ask if anybody is using two external
> monitors with the MPB? If so, how are you accomplishing that?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:48 PM, redsall2002 wrote:

> The new Cinema Displays will not work with my MBP because there is no mini
display port and no adaptor as yet.


These work just fine with the Gefen adapter. Tested on new Mac Pro's, old MBP's,
as well as SCRATCH.

One type of use pictured here:

http://bit.ly/3Q7JrR

Both those Apple monitors are plugged into respective DVI ports via the Gefen
adapter.

Torrey
-----------------------------------------------
Torrey Loomis
President & CEO - Silverado Systems, Inc.
(916) 760-0032 • FAX (916) 404-5258
torrey@...
http://www.Silverado.cc

Silverado Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/silveradosys
StudioBuilder blog at http://silveradosys.blogspot.com

http://bit.ly/5VMgaY

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@...
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

I'm thinking about purchasing a new Dell U2410 LCD to use with my year and a
half old MBP for a FCP system I'm use when working at home.  The new Cinema
Displays will not work with my MBP because there is no mini display port and no
adaptor as yet. Anyway I have been looking at all sorts of solutions and the
Dell seems to be the best in that price range. There is however a large
collection of negative reviews all over the web regarding  green/pink issues on
some of the monitors that Dell has shipped out. Anybody with this monitor had to
deal with this? My real question is, what are other people with similar set ups
to mine using for an external monitor? While I'm at it I might as well ask if
anybody is using two external monitors with the MPB? If so, how are you
accomplishing that?

Thanks

That's what my app XMiL Exporter does. Mark on clips (not sequences
though), export an XML file, and have my app make the stills for you.
See http://xmil.biz/exporter/exporter.shtml

This is a plug, hope it's helpful, too ;-)

Rainer Standke
XMiL Workflow Tools
http://www.xmil.biz



On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:22 , Nick Meyers wrote:

> you could program QuicKeys (or other app) to do the menu change when
> you Export with QuickTime Conversion, i guess.
> you would do the first one, and establish the still image format
> (Tiff, Jpeg, etc).
> FCP remembers that, (but not that Still Image was the last export
> option!)
>
> you know, if they just fixed THAT,
> then exporting still images would be a LOT easier
>
>
> as for automation XML would probably provide a better way.
>
> let's say about you add markers to a timeline, clip, or group of
> clips,
> then export an XML from those.
> you then run that thru some XML app, and you get a still image from
> each marked frame.
>
>
> nick
>
>
>
> On 22/11/2009, at 10:59 PM, Don Stark wrote:
>
>> Any Automator experts around who could assemble something? FCP
>> doesn't show up in Automator (at least that I can see), but thought
>> this would be great for creating a new workflow or service in
>> Automator. But I don't have the AppleScript knowledge to do it
>> without the helpful shortcuts built into Automator.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> Don Stark
>> ScubaVision Productions
>> Boston, MA USA and Providenciales, Turks & Caicos Islands, BWI
>> Weekly Video Netcast at www.ScubaVisions.TV
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Nick Meyers wrote:
>>
>>> for a FEW still exports,
>>> Exporting with QuickTime conversion is probably the fastest method.
>>>
>>> to make that a tad faster, assign Export with QuickTime Conversion
>> to
>>> a key command (I use Option Apple E)
>>>
>>> if you have a LOT to do, then collect a bunch of stills,
>>> and use batch export.
>>>
>>> George suggested a freeze frame, but also mentioned the problem with
>>> that.
>>> it contains a time-code value, which could be great EXCEPT batch
>>> export cant deal with the colons.
>>> (frustratingly, a single Export with QuickTime Conversion can)
>>>
>>> so given you have to re-name, i have another suggestion which is to
>>> match frame into the viewer,
>>> mark an in point, and make a subclip.
>>> or mark an in AND out point and make a 1frame subclip.
>>> this will be sitting in the browser ready for you to re-name it.
>>>
>>> if you copy the sequence into a new project before you do your
>>> selecting,
>>> then you will have a very uncluttered browser in which to work,
>>> and all the subclips will appear in the one place.
>>>
>>>
>>> nick
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/11/2009, at 5:39 AM, Rieni wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there is a simpler methode to export a still image from the
>>>> sequence?
>>>>
>>>> Now each time I have to go through the menu: export / quicktime
>>>> conversion / still image
>>>>
>>>> There must be a simpler/faster method I hope?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> To learn more about the FinalCutPro-L group, please visit
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FinalCutPro-LYahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To learn more about the FinalCutPro-L group, please visit
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FinalCutPro-LYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

HI.

Having to contemplate running a virtual Windows system on my Mac Pro FCP edit
system to allow me to work with a fabulous Microsoft Small Business Server...
Wondering if this is something anyone is doing
OK and if they had good/bad experiences with either Parallels or VMware Fusion?
Parallels seems to be getting a bad rap from some, so:

Fusion 3 with Windows 7 Ultimate seems like the most likely candidate.

Hoping I won't have much performace hit if it's open while I'm editing. And
whether it makes sense to go to Snow Leopard before installing any
virtulisation? No specialist I/O yet, but one may be coming soon.

Mac Pro Dual Quad Core 2.26Gz
12Gb RAM
FCP 6.05


Thanks for any pointers.


Ben



Ben Wharton
Content Director, MercuryMedia International

you could program QuicKeys (or other app) to do the menu change when
you Export with QuickTime Conversion, i guess.
you would do the first one, and establish the still image format
(Tiff, Jpeg, etc).
FCP remembers that, (but not that Still Image was the last export
option!)

you know, if they just fixed THAT,
then exporting still images would be a LOT easier


as for automation XML would probably provide a better way.

let's say about you add markers to a timeline, clip, or group of clips,
then export an XML from those.
you then run that thru some XML app, and you get a still image from
each marked frame.


nick



On 22/11/2009, at 10:59 PM, Don Stark wrote:

> Any Automator experts around who could assemble something? FCP
> doesn't show up in Automator (at least that I can see), but thought
> this would be great for creating a new workflow or service in
> Automator. But I don't have the AppleScript knowledge to do it
> without the helpful shortcuts built into Automator.
>
> Don
>
> Don Stark
> ScubaVision Productions
> Boston, MA USA and Providenciales, Turks & Caicos Islands, BWI
> Weekly Video Netcast at www.ScubaVisions.TV
>
> On Nov 21, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Nick Meyers wrote:
>
> > for a FEW still exports,
> > Exporting with QuickTime conversion is probably the fastest method.
> >
> > to make that a tad faster, assign Export with QuickTime Conversion
> to
> > a key command (I use Option Apple E)
> >
> > if you have a LOT to do, then collect a bunch of stills,
> > and use batch export.
> >
> > George suggested a freeze frame, but also mentioned the problem with
> > that.
> > it contains a time-code value, which could be great EXCEPT batch
> > export cant deal with the colons.
> > (frustratingly, a single Export with QuickTime Conversion can)
> >
> > so given you have to re-name, i have another suggestion which is to
> > match frame into the viewer,
> > mark an in point, and make a subclip.
> > or mark an in AND out point and make a 1frame subclip.
> > this will be sitting in the browser ready for you to re-name it.
> >
> > if you copy the sequence into a new project before you do your
> > selecting,
> > then you will have a very uncluttered browser in which to work,
> > and all the subclips will appear in the one place.
> >
> >
> > nick
> >
> >
> > On 22/11/2009, at 5:39 AM, Rieni wrote:
> >
> >> Is there is a simpler methode to export a still image from the
> >> sequence?
> >>
> >> Now each time I have to go through the menu: export / quicktime
> >> conversion / still image
> >>
> >> There must be a simpler/faster method I hope?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > To learn more about the FinalCutPro-L group, please visit
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FinalCutPro-LYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Any Automator experts around who could assemble something?  FCP doesn't show up
in Automator (at least that I can see), but thought this would be great for
creating a new workflow or service in Automator.  But I don't have the
AppleScript knowledge to do it without the helpful shortcuts built into
Automator.

Don

Don Stark
ScubaVision Productions
Boston, MA USA and Providenciales, Turks & Caicos Islands, BWI
Weekly Video Netcast at www.ScubaVisions.TV




On Nov 21, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Nick Meyers wrote:

> for a FEW still exports,
> Exporting with QuickTime conversion is probably the fastest method.
>
> to make that a tad faster, assign Export with QuickTime Conversion to
> a key command (I use Option Apple E)
>
> if you have a LOT to do, then collect a bunch of stills,
> and use batch export.
>
> George suggested a freeze frame, but also mentioned the problem with
> that.
> it contains a time-code value, which could be great EXCEPT batch
> export cant deal with the colons.
> (frustratingly, a single Export with QuickTime Conversion can)
>
> so given you have to re-name, i have another suggestion which is to
> match frame into the viewer,
> mark an in point, and make a subclip.
> or mark an in AND out point and make a 1frame subclip.
> this will be sitting in the browser ready for you to re-name it.
>
> if you copy the sequence into a new project before you do your
> selecting,
> then you will have a very uncluttered browser in which to work,
> and all the subclips will appear in the one place.
>
>
> nick
>
>
> On 22/11/2009, at 5:39 AM, Rieni wrote:
>
>> Is there is a simpler methode to export a still image from the
>> sequence?
>>
>> Now each time I have to go through the menu: export / quicktime
>> conversion / still image
>>
>> There must be a simpler/faster method I hope?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To learn more about the FinalCutPro-L group, please visit
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FinalCutPro-LYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

" My understanding, there is now only the one SDK, Assimlate and Apple are
working on the same playing field. "

I was lead to believe that isn't the case.  It would be good if Lucas could
jump in here and clarify, if he's able.

Tony :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
IAN WILSON
Sent: 22 November 2009 00:07
To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
Cc: FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Mac Smoke Official

Cross Post.

My understanding, there is now only the one SDK, Assimlate and Apple
are working on the same playing field. With the same caution you
expressed, there  is something else going on here. Watch this space,
with the imminent Scarlet release the numbers and the stakes go up.

Ian Wilson

Does this mean we can't be Facebook friends?

James


On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:55 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:

> Your post contribute nothing to this discussion, I have exercised my
> right to not see them, you can respond but they now bypass me and go
> straight into the trash.
>
> Ian Wilson
> Colortape Productions
> Ian@...
> 0418 327 082
> Via iPhone
>
> On 22/11/2009, at 11:47 AM, James Culbertson <albion@...>
> wrote:
>
> > I do, but I'm starting to get a finger rash. :-)
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:43 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:
> >
> >> One word for you James DELETE
> >>
> >> Ian Wilson
> >> Colortape Productions
> >> Ian@...
> >> 0418 327 082
> >> Via iPhone
> >>
> >> On 22/11/2009, at 11:27 AM, James Culbertson <albion@...>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ian,
> >>>
> >>> You should get together with the folks over on the DVD-List who
> keep
> >>> wondering, over and over and over and over again, why Blu-Ray
> isn't
> >>> being taken up faster. Well, except Blu-Ray has potentially a much
> >>> larger niche. Not anywhere as large as they hope. But a viable
> niche
> >>> anyway.
> >>>
> >>> I hope Jim gives you your Red Editor so that you don't sprain your
> >>> fingers writing all these obsessive emails.
> >>>
> >>> Honestly, its like some kind of .r3d mantra... if you say it
> 100,000
> >>> times, maybe you will reach Red Nirvana.
> >>>
> >>> James
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:07 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Cross Post.
> >>>>
> >>>> My understanding, there is now only the one SDK, Assimlate and
> >> Apple
> >>>> are working on the same playing field. With the same caution you
> >>>> expressed, there is something else going on here. Watch this
> space,
> >>>> with the imminent Scarlet release the numbers and the stakes go
> up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ian Wilson
> >>>> Colortape Productions
> >>>> Ian@...
> >>>> 0418 327 082
> >>>> Via iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On 22/11/2009, at 3:04 AM, "Tony Quinsee-Jover"
> >>>> <tony@...
> >>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hmmm... I have to be very careful what I say here. So choosing
> my
> >>>>> words with
> >>>>> said care...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A (non Avid) developer that I know has suggested to me that if
> Mr
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > To learn more about the FinalCutPro-L group, please visit
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FinalCutPro-LYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Now, boys, play nice.

  David Dodson
davidadodson@...
818-541-1225
818-523-0905 mobile




________________________________
From: IAN WILSON <ian@...>
To: "FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com" <FinalCutPro-L@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 4:55:33 PM
Subject: Re: [FCP-L] Re: [Avid-L2] Re: Mac Smoke Official


Your post contribute nothing to this discussion, I have exercised my
right to not see them, you can respond but they now bypass me and go
straight into the trash.

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@colortape. tv
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

On 22/11/2009, at 11:47 AM, James Culbertson <albion@speakeasy. net>
wrote:

> I do, but I'm starting to get a finger rash.   :-)
>
> James
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:43 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:
>
>> One word for you James DELETE
>>
>> Ian Wilson
>> Colortape Productions
>> Ian@colortape. tv
>> 0418 327 082
>> Via iPhone
>>
>> On 22/11/2009, at 11:27 AM, James Culbertson <albion@speakeasy. net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ian,
>>>
>>> You should get together with the folks over on the DVD-List who keep
>>> wondering, over and over and over and over again, why Blu-Ray isn't
>>> being taken up faster. Well, except Blu-Ray has potentially a much
>>> larger niche. Not anywhere as large as they hope. But a viable niche
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> I hope Jim gives you your Red Editor so that you don't sprain your
>>> fingers writing all these obsessive emails.
>>>
>>> Honestly, its like some kind of .r3d mantra... if you say it 100,000
>>> times, maybe you will reach Red Nirvana.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:07 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cross Post.
>>>>
>>>> My understanding, there is now only the one SDK, Assimlate and
>> Apple
>>>> are working on the same playing field. With the same caution you
>>>> expressed, there is something else going on here. Watch this space,
>>>> with the imminent Scarlet release the numbers and the stakes go up.
>>>>
>>>> Ian Wilson
>>>> Colortape Productions
>>>> Ian@colortape. tv
>>>> 0418 327 082
>>>> Via iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 22/11/2009, at 3:04 AM, "Tony Quinsee-Jover"
>>>> <tony@hdheaven. co.uk
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm... I have to be very careful what I say here. So choosing my
>>>>> words with
>>>>> said care...
>>>>>
>>>>> A (non Avid) developer that I know has suggested to me that if Mr
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> To learn more about the FinalCutPro- L group, please visit
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/FinalCutPr o-LYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Your post contribute nothing to this discussion, I have exercised my
right to not see them, you can respond but they now bypass me and go
straight into the trash.

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@...
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

On 22/11/2009, at 11:47 AM, James Culbertson <albion@...>
wrote:

> I do, but I'm starting to get a finger rash.   :-)
>
> James
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:43 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:
>
>> One word for you James DELETE
>>
>> Ian Wilson
>> Colortape Productions
>> Ian@...
>> 0418 327 082
>> Via iPhone
>>
>> On 22/11/2009, at 11:27 AM, James Culbertson <albion@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ian,
>>>
>>> You should get together with the folks over on the DVD-List who keep
>>> wondering, over and over and over and over again, why Blu-Ray isn't
>>> being taken up faster. Well, except Blu-Ray has potentially a much
>>> larger niche. Not anywhere as large as they hope. But a viable niche
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> I hope Jim gives you your Red Editor so that you don't sprain your
>>> fingers writing all these obsessive emails.
>>>
>>> Honestly, its like some kind of .r3d mantra... if you say it 100,000
>>> times, maybe you will reach Red Nirvana.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:07 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cross Post.
>>>>
>>>> My understanding, there is now only the one SDK, Assimlate and
>> Apple
>>>> are working on the same playing field. With the same caution you
>>>> expressed, there is something else going on here. Watch this space,
>>>> with the imminent Scarlet release the numbers and the stakes go up.
>>>>
>>>> Ian Wilson
>>>> Colortape Productions
>>>> Ian@...
>>>> 0418 327 082
>>>> Via iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 22/11/2009, at 3:04 AM, "Tony Quinsee-Jover"
>>>> <tony@...
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm... I have to be very careful what I say here. So choosing my
>>>>> words with
>>>>> said care...
>>>>>
>>>>> A (non Avid) developer that I know has suggested to me that if Mr
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To learn more about the FinalCutPro-L group, please visit
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FinalCutPro-LYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I do, but I'm starting to get a finger rash.   :-)

James


On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:43 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:

> One word for you James DELETE
>
> Ian Wilson
> Colortape Productions
> Ian@...
> 0418 327 082
> Via iPhone
>
> On 22/11/2009, at 11:27 AM, James Culbertson <albion@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Ian,
> >
> > You should get together with the folks over on the DVD-List who keep
> > wondering, over and over and over and over again, why Blu-Ray isn't
> > being taken up faster. Well, except Blu-Ray has potentially a much
> > larger niche. Not anywhere as large as they hope. But a viable niche
> > anyway.
> >
> > I hope Jim gives you your Red Editor so that you don't sprain your
> > fingers writing all these obsessive emails.
> >
> > Honestly, its like some kind of .r3d mantra... if you say it 100,000
> > times, maybe you will reach Red Nirvana.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:07 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:
> >
> >> Cross Post.
> >>
> >> My understanding, there is now only the one SDK, Assimlate and
> Apple
> >> are working on the same playing field. With the same caution you
> >> expressed, there is something else going on here. Watch this space,
> >> with the imminent Scarlet release the numbers and the stakes go up.
> >>
> >> Ian Wilson
> >> Colortape Productions
> >> Ian@...
> >> 0418 327 082
> >> Via iPhone
> >>
> >> On 22/11/2009, at 3:04 AM, "Tony Quinsee-Jover" <tony@...
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hmmm... I have to be very careful what I say here. So choosing my
> >>> words with
> >>> said care...
> >>>
> >>> A (non Avid) developer that I know has suggested to me that if Mr
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

One word for you James DELETE


Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@...
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

On 22/11/2009, at 11:27 AM, James Culbertson <albion@...>
wrote:

> Ian,
>
> You should get together with the folks over on the DVD-List who keep
> wondering, over and over and over and over again, why Blu-Ray isn't
> being taken up faster. Well, except Blu-Ray has potentially a much
> larger niche. Not anywhere as large as they hope. But a viable niche
> anyway.
>
> I hope Jim gives you your Red Editor so that you don't sprain your
> fingers writing all these obsessive emails.
>
> Honestly, its like some kind of .r3d mantra... if you say it 100,000
> times, maybe you will reach Red Nirvana.
>
>  James
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:07 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:
>
>> Cross Post.
>>
>> My understanding, there is now only the one SDK, Assimlate and Apple
>> are working on the same playing field. With the same caution you
>> expressed, there is something else going on here. Watch this space,
>> with the imminent Scarlet release the numbers and the stakes go up.
>>
>> Ian Wilson
>> Colortape Productions
>> Ian@...
>> 0418 327 082
>> Via iPhone
>>
>> On 22/11/2009, at 3:04 AM, "Tony Quinsee-Jover" <tony@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm... I have to be very careful what I say here. So choosing my
>>> words with
>>> said care...
>>>
>>> A (non Avid) developer that I know has suggested to me that if Mr

Ian,

You should get together with the folks over on the DVD-List who keep
wondering, over and over and over and over again, why Blu-Ray isn't
being taken up faster. Well, except Blu-Ray has potentially a much
larger niche. Not anywhere as large as they hope. But a viable niche
anyway.

I hope Jim gives you your Red Editor so that you don't sprain your
fingers writing all these obsessive emails.

Honestly, its like some kind of .r3d mantra... if you say it 100,000
times, maybe you will reach Red Nirvana.

   James


On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:07 PM, IAN WILSON wrote:

> Cross Post.
>
> My understanding, there is now only the one SDK, Assimlate and Apple
> are working on the same playing field. With the same caution you
> expressed, there is something else going on here. Watch this space,
> with the imminent Scarlet release the numbers and the stakes go up.
>
> Ian Wilson
> Colortape Productions
> Ian@...
> 0418 327 082
> Via iPhone
>
> On 22/11/2009, at 3:04 AM, "Tony Quinsee-Jover" <tony@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm... I have to be very careful what I say here. So choosing my
> > words with
> > said care...
> >
> > A (non Avid) developer that I know has suggested to me that if Mr
> > Sunglasses
> > would allow deeper access to .r3d files than is currently permitted
> > through
> > the SDK then with current PC and GPU technology it would be possible
> > to have
> > far faster and more effective access to the files, and MUCH quicker
> > processing (including debayering). Assimilate have already shown
> > what they
> > can achieve with direct access to .r3d files but the same developer
> > reckoned
> > that processing could be an order of magnitude faster than that
> > achieved by
> > Scratch... "You just need to think laterally" he told me.
> >
> > Maybe he was wrong. Maybe he wasn't. Either way, for those
> > companies not
> > in bed with Red, the SDK is undoubtedly the crippling factor right
> > now, and
> > not GPU/CPU speed.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > HD Heaven Limited (company no: 04620550) is registered in England
> > and Wales
> > at Branston Court, Branston Street, Birmingham BL8 6BA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > oliverpetersvidy
> > Sent: 21 November 2009 14:38
> > To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Mac Smoke Official
> >
> > Ian,
> >
> > I think the whole resistance we have to the RR idea is because it
> > goes in
> > the opposite direction of everything being done by every NLE (and
> > other
> > video gear) manufacturer. Everyone is moving towards - or being
> pushed
> > towards - "off-the-shelf" hardware + custom software. And they are
> > all doing
> > it for the obvious reason that it is the only sustainable business
> > model if
> > you aren't a boutique developer. This means that more and more of
> > the heavy
> > lifting is being done by CPUs and to a greater extent GPUs. This
> means
> > NVIDIA, ATI and potentially Matrox.
> >
> > In order for RR to work within the NLE video stream, it basically
> > has to
> > function in the same way a GPU inside an NVIDIA or ATI card does
> now.
> > Multi-stream commands have to be decompressed, combined with
> effects,
> > displayed and ultimately re-encoded. Currently it's the software+CPU
> > that's
> > doing the decoding and re-encoding and the CPU+GPU does the rest.
> > You are
> > now expecting the RR card to do both and I just don't see that
> > happening.
> > ATI's and NVIDIA's advancements come because of video game
> > development - a
> > mass market driver. NLEs reap the benefits of that work.
> >
> > You may be right that ultimately RED has to build its own special
> > purpose
> > NLE. If so, I wouldn't expect it to be very viable for anything
> > other than
> > exclusively REDCODE media projects. Think in the context of your own
> > case.
> > You have discussed using P2 and Canon media with your RED. How does
> > that
> > work in the native REDCODE/RR world? I don't think it does.
> >
> > Don't expect Smoke on Mac to be the answer to this. Autodesk/
> > Discreet has
> > never made there own hardware. Going to the Mac means embracing even
> > less
> > customized gear than Smoke on Linux. If anything, I'd place my
> bets on
> > Quantel. They are more likely to still tinker with the "off-the-
> shelf"
> > products and blend those with proprietary tools to get advanced
> > results.
> >
> > So the bottom line for me is that RR will probably be a fast decoder
> > to go
> > to displays or an intermediate codec for quite some time. At best,
> > it may
> > become the core of a DVS or Assimilate-style assembler/grader.
> >
> > - Oliver
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Search the offical complete Avid-L archives at:
http://archives.bengrosser.com/avid/
> >
> > Everything you MUST know about Color Correction in one book:
http://tinyurl.com/ColorCorectionforvideo
> > Get your copy todayYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cross Post.

My understanding, there is now only the one SDK, Assimlate and Apple
are working on the same playing field. With the same caution you
expressed, there  is something else going on here. Watch this space,
with the imminent Scarlet release the numbers and the stakes go up.

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@...
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

On 22/11/2009, at 3:04 AM, "Tony Quinsee-Jover" <tony@...>
wrote:

> Hmmm... I have to be very careful what I say here. So choosing my
> words with
> said care...
>
> A (non Avid) developer that I know has suggested to me that if Mr
> Sunglasses
> would allow deeper access to .r3d files than is currently permitted
> through
> the SDK then with current PC and GPU technology it would be possible
> to have
> far faster and more effective access to the files, and MUCH quicker
> processing (including debayering).  Assimilate have already shown
> what they
> can achieve with direct access to .r3d files but the same developer
> reckoned
> that processing could be an order of magnitude faster than that
> achieved by
> Scratch... "You just need to think laterally" he told me.
>
> Maybe he was wrong.  Maybe he wasn't.  Either way, for those
> companies not
> in bed with Red, the SDK is undoubtedly the crippling factor right
> now, and
> not GPU/CPU speed.
>
> Tony
>
>
> HD Heaven Limited (company no: 04620550) is registered in England
> and Wales
> at Branston Court, Branston Street, Birmingham BL8 6BA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> oliverpetersvidy
> Sent: 21 November 2009 14:38
> To: Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Avid-L2] Re: Mac Smoke Official
>
> Ian,
>
> I think the whole resistance we have to the RR idea is because it
> goes in
> the opposite direction of everything being done by every NLE (and
> other
> video gear) manufacturer. Everyone is moving towards - or being pushed
> towards - "off-the-shelf" hardware + custom software. And they are
> all doing
> it for the obvious reason that it is the only sustainable business
> model if
> you aren't a boutique developer. This means that more and more of
> the heavy
> lifting is being done by CPUs and to a greater extent GPUs. This means
> NVIDIA, ATI and potentially Matrox.
>
> In order for RR to work within the NLE video stream, it basically
> has to
> function in the same way a GPU inside an NVIDIA or ATI card does now.
> Multi-stream commands have to be decompressed, combined with effects,
> displayed and ultimately re-encoded. Currently it's the software+CPU
> that's
> doing the decoding and re-encoding and the CPU+GPU does the rest.
> You are
> now expecting the RR card to do both and I just don't see that
> happening.
> ATI's and NVIDIA's advancements come because of video game
> development - a
> mass market driver. NLEs reap the benefits of that work.
>
> You may be right that ultimately RED has to build its own special
> purpose
> NLE. If so, I wouldn't expect it to be very viable for anything
> other than
> exclusively REDCODE media projects. Think in the context of your own
> case.
> You have discussed using P2 and Canon media with your RED. How does
> that
> work in the native REDCODE/RR world? I don't think it does.
>
> Don't expect Smoke on Mac to be the answer to this. Autodesk/
> Discreet has
> never made there own hardware. Going to the Mac means embracing even
> less
> customized gear than Smoke on Linux. If anything, I'd place my bets on
> Quantel. They are more likely to still tinker with the "off-the-shelf"
> products and blend those with proprietary tools to get advanced
> results.
>
> So the bottom line for me is that RR will probably be a fast decoder
> to go
> to displays or an intermediate codec for quite some time. At best,
> it may
> become the core of a DVS or Assimilate-style assembler/grader.
>
> - Oliver
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Search the offical complete Avid-L archives at:  
http://archives.bengrosser.com/avid/
>
> Everything you MUST know about Color Correction in one book:  
http://tinyurl.com/ColorCorectionforvideo
>    Get your copy todayYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

This is a dual list post

Ian Wilson
Colortape Productions
Ian@...
0418 327 082
Via iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: IAN WILSON <ian@...>
> Date: 22 November 2009 10:51:21 AM AEDT
> To: "Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com" <Avid-L2@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Mac Smoke Official now new Sheriff in town
>

> Thanks for your insite Oliver, as always very interesting.
>
> Just out of interest I cut a small project the other day using
> REDCineX on my MBP just using the QT proxeys (I could have equally
> used one of our RR equipped MP's to do the same job), but the
> editing and grading process would have been the same. I found it
> very doable, sure this was just P&C stuff, but a lot of feature work
> that we do is just that. You could "Smell" just how close that App
> was to being an NLE, add dissolves and speed ramps and you are
> there, if you and Philip are correct about the number of potential
> sales preceventing Apple from playing, that button is about to be
> firmly pressed by RED or more likely by Assimlate. And to the
> numbers, think Scarlet (want to take a guess at those numbers?), how
> are they going to cut their stuff?
>
> APPLE, AVID watch your arse, there is a new  Sheriff in town  and
> it's free.
>
> Hey Jim, how about for good measure you put it in the cloud and have
> it run of the new Apple slate (I believe that's the name Apple will
> use for their tablet device, nice synergy with our ancestors who use
> to carve on slates to communicate. The Edit Cave has a nice ring to
> it).
>
> Ian Wilson
> Colortape Productions
> Ian@...
> 0418 327 082
> Spalling via iPhone
>
> On 22/11/2009, at 1:38 AM, "oliverpetersvidy" <oliverpeters@...
> > wrote:
>
>> Ian,
>>
>> I think the whole resistance we have to the RR idea is because it
>> goes in the opposite direction of everything being done by every
>> NLE (and other video gear) manufacturer. Everyone is moving towards
>> - or being pushed towards - "off-the-shelf" hardware + custom
>> software. And they are all doing it for the obvious reason that it
>> is the only sustainable business model if you aren't a boutique
>> developer. This means that more and more of the heavy lifting is
>> being done by CPUs and to a greater extent GPUs. This means NVIDIA,
>> ATI and potentially Matrox.
>>
>> In order for RR to work within the NLE video stream, it basically
>> has to function in the same way a GPU inside an NVIDIA or ATI card
>> does now. Multi-stream commands have to be decompressed, combined
>> with effects, displayed and ultimately re-encoded. Currently it's
>> the software+CPU that's doing the decoding and re-encoding and the
>> CPU+GPU does the rest. You are now expecting the RR card to do both
>> and I just don't see that happening. ATI's and NVIDIA's
>> advancements come because of video game development - a mass market
>> driver. NLEs reap the benefits of that work.
>>
>> You may be right that ultimately RED has to build its own special
>> purpose NLE. If so, I wouldn't expect it to be very viable for
>> anything other than exclusively REDCODE media projects. Think in
>> the context of your own case. You have discussed using P2 and Canon
>> media with your RED. How does that work in the native REDCODE/RR
>> world? I don't think it does.
>>
>> Don't expect Smoke on Mac to be the answer to this. Autodesk/
>> Discreet has never made there own hardware. Going to the Mac means
>> embracing even less customized gear than Smoke on Linux. If
>> anything, I'd place my bets on Quantel. They are more likely to
>> still tinker with the "off-the-shelf" products and blend those with
>> proprietary tools to get advanced results.
>>
>> So the bottom line for me is that RR will probably be a fast
>> decoder to go to displays or an intermediate codec for quite some
>> time. At best, it may become the core of a DVS or Assimilate-style
>> assembler/grader.


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for a FEW still exports,
Exporting with QuickTime conversion is probably the fastest method.

to make that a tad faster, assign Export with QuickTime Conversion to
a key command (I use Option Apple E)

if you have a LOT to do, then collect a bunch of stills,
and use batch export.

George suggested a freeze frame, but also mentioned the problem with
that.
it contains a time-code value, which could be great EXCEPT batch
export cant deal with the colons.
(frustratingly, a single Export with QuickTime Conversion can)

so given you have to re-name, i have another suggestion which is to
match frame into the viewer,
mark an in point, and make a subclip.
or mark an in AND out point and make a 1frame subclip.
this will be sitting in the browser ready for you to re-name it.

if you copy the sequence into a new project before you do your
selecting,
then you will have a very uncluttered browser in which to work,
and all the subclips will appear in the one place.


nick


On 22/11/2009, at 5:39 AM, Rieni wrote:

> Is there is a simpler methode to export a still image from the
> sequence?
>
> Now each time I have to go through the menu: export / quicktime
> conversion / still image
>
> There must be a simpler/faster method I hope?
>
>
>



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Philip,

> Philip Hodgetts  wrote:
> legally, punch card or other record keeping. Separately from that is
> outcome but hourly employees are paid to turn up and do what they're
> told, without self guidance.
> Salaried employees are paid for an outcome and generally supervise
> hourly employees.

That's not entirely true. The guidelines applied are that unless you have
supervisory status over other people, you are supposed to be hourly. There are
certain exceptions that have been incorporated into wage and hour laws over
time, permitting salaried pay to be used for non-supervisory employees.

Those categories include certain job classifications (like creative roles) and
also if you get above a certain wage level. This allows employers to pay such
employees based on a fixed salary without paying overtime. It doesn't mean that
salaried employees are not bound by an expectation to "clock in" and work
X-amount of hours on the job. It's merely a difference of whether you get
overtime pay (or any additional pay) after 40 hours or not (union and other
contracts notwithstanding).

- Oliver

On Nov 21, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Patrick Inhofer wrote:

>
> On Nov 21, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Philip Hodgetts wrote:
>
>> Salaried employees are judged on outcome, regardless of hours.
>
>
> And hourly employees are judged on what? Their ability to hit the
> punch card? No. Outcome.

legally, punch card or other record keeping. Separately from that is
outcome but hourly employees are paid to turn up and do what they're
told, without self guidance.

Salaried employees are paid for an outcome and generally supervise
hourly employees.
>
> Same difference.

I see why you say that, but legally it's not the way it is.
Superficially it might seem the same.

> The notion that the time for money relationship goes out the window
> because you're on salary... couldn't be more wrong. And while there is
> a specific legal difference between hourly and salaried employees,
> everyone (well, except maybe government employees) gets judged on
> outcome.

Must be a piss poor employer that behaves that way. When I've paid
someone a salary, as opposed to hours, I judge only on the outcome I
expect in the time I expect it.

Otherwise they'd be an hourly employee under direct supervision.

I see the difference clearly and my previous behavior has been
consistent with that assumpiont, so I guess we'll just disagree
politely :)

Philip


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You guys are getting awfully esoteric. A salaried employee does not work in a
vacuum. Other people rely on that person to get the job done in a timely manner,
otherwise it affects the work of the group. There simply is no justification if
that person takes 15 hours to do 8 hours of work, even if the salary only pays
for 8 and there is some leeway in deadline.

It might be different if we are talking about an independent contractor working
in the privacy of their home office. An entirely different story if they are an
on-site employee, salaried or not. And that's not just internet use. It's also
true of too many smoke breaks, too much time on personal phone calls, etc.

- Oliver

On Nov 21, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Philip Hodgetts wrote:

> Salaried employees are judged on outcome, regardless of hours.


And hourly employees are judged on what? Their ability to hit the
punch card? No. Outcome.

Same difference.

The notion that the time for money relationship goes out the window
because you're on salary... couldn't be more wrong. And while there is
a specific legal difference between hourly and salaried employees,
everyone (well, except maybe government employees) gets judged on
outcome.

- pi